Is secularism evil? six lessons from a darker era

I don’t know of anyone who routinely walks around killing people. I just don’t. Like, it’s not from a lack of trying either. I have a pretty diverse set of friends, some aren’t exactly model citizens either. Still, no murder. And yet some of my Christian friends say that atheists are so nihilistic and Stalinist, that I would expect to see at least a few murder photos lurking in between the Instagram shots of artisan breakfast. And yet, I see none.

On the other side, some atheists say that a literal reading of the Bible allows genocide and murder, and given that most of my Christian friends claim to believe the Bible, I would think that there would be at least a few people stoned to death in between the 67th repetition of “Come now is the time to worship.” And sure, there always are a few stoned dudes in the back, but they are very much alive.

So what’s the deal?

It seems that whatever our views of the opposing party are, their behavior doesn’t always match up to our nefarious extrapolations, even though religious people and atheists have indeed committed some horrific atrocities in the past. So whats the deal? Is atheism the cause of atrocities and evil or not? Here are six things you must know to answer that question.

1. Yes there were some evil atheists, and we loathe them as much as Christians do.

I want to acknowledge there were people that shared some of my beliefs about God who were also assholes. That’s right, I’m not going to sit here for 30 pages and turn blue in the face arguing “Stalin wasn’t a truly true atheist” as the apologists are prone to do when presented with examples of Christian fascists and psychopaths.

As far as I can tell Stalin thought there was no God, something I also think.

But unlike me he was also psychopathic, genocidal dictator who had no empathy for his fellow man. I have almost nothing in common with him. For almost all ethical/philosophical views he held, mine are the opposite.

The same goes for any other secular dictator or mass murderer you can find. I think they are horrible and am nothing like them.

You see where I am going with this? We share one belief, but are polar opposites about… pretty much everything else! Simply thinking that theism or atheism is true gets us nowhere. Each of us must also decide ‘what’ to believe about our morals, values, and how we ought to treat others.

Proclivity to violence is not grounded in your religious beliefs, but in the level of psychopathy and disregard for human life. A religious psychopath is just as dangerous as a secular one.

But in case you still don’t believe me, allow me to continue walking you through the dark halls of history.

2. Before atheism was a thing, all violence in history was perpetrated by religious people, and there was lots of violence

Some religious people frequently point out that atheism is a very new phenomenon, implying that it’s just a temporary fad that will go away. (This is not true by the way, there are veins of atheistic thought among Indian, Greek, and Chinese philosophers over the last few thousand years, though admittedly they are in the minority.)

So fine, I will grant you that atheism as a populist movement IS indeed a new phenomenon, but you know what is not new? War, murder, rape, violence, torture, and genocide. Turbulent rivers of blood have been spilled for as long as we have recorded history, and the hands holding the swords have usually been religious people, including Christians. (And of course, as you read this list, you will be muttering something like “those are not genuine Christians.” But they were certainly not atheists either, especially since many of these self-identified Christians actually killed atheists for being atheists.)

To be fair, I do note that its estimated that only 13 of the worst 100 mass killings in history were specifically motivated by religion. We should not exaggerate the role of religion to be the cause of all wars, that’s obviously false. But I want to point out that all humans can do horrible things. Many of those 100 mass killings were perpetrated by secular people, but even more were done by religious people, including Christians. Now, you might say, Christianity didn’t cause these self-identified Christians to do these things, but it certainly didn’t prevent them either.

  • The Conquest of the Americas, where an estimated 10 to 75 million natives died due to the efforts of the Christians who invaded the Americas in search of religious freedom (and even more importanly, gold). There are some horrific stories of torture by the Christians armies, as recorded by the priest Bartolome de Las Casas. Strangely enough, these Christian soldiers were given a Papal decree that validated these violent actions.
  • The Colonial democides perpetrated by European Christians. It’s really hard to estimate these numbers, but numerous European nations (remember, all officially Christian) displaced and massacred millions through the East and Africa. Some examples are the Mahdist revolt, where some 5 million were killed, the various Colonial wars/rebellions in India, where  up to 10 million civilians were killed, though some estimates are as high as 35 million. Other examples are King Leopold’s destruction of the Congo stage, which led to an estimated 5-10 million deaths and the French Conquest of Algeria, with over 1 million deaths.
  • The Atlantic slave trade, which brought over 5 million slaves to the new world, and resulted in the death of 8 million slaves during capture and transportation. While its true that a Christian helped end the slave state, one must remember slaves were captured, transported, and purchased by other Christians and Muslims for over 500 years (in an era where atheists were killed) before one Christian stood up to do something about slavery.
  • The Chinese Democide during the Chinese Civil War led by Christian dictator Chiang Kai-shek, resulted in over 10 million deaths. While many other political leaders identified themselves as Christian, few spoke of their faith as passionately as Kai-Shek. He claimed a born again conversion experience, read the Bible and prayed daily, and gave money to support Christian missionaries. Oh, and tortured and killed people.
  • The Rhwandan Genocide happened in a country where over 94% of the population self-identify as Christians. Its estimated that 1 to 2 million people were massacred in 1994, but what is truly horrifying is that some churches even sanctioned this massacre.
  • The Second Congo War, which resulted in 7 to 5.4 million deaths occurred in a country that is over 80% Christian, and includes participants like the Lords Resistance Army, a Christian based militia that routinely mass murders people and uses the Old Testament as justification.
  • Most wars in pre modern Europe were fought by Christian armies. These armies were blessed by Christian priests, and led in prayer by Christian kings. Some medieval wars were fought against people of other religions, but most are against other types of Christians. Also, do remember that the rate of open atheism during these years was very small. The few intellectuals that were openly atheistic, like Marlowe (1593), Łyszczyński (1689), and de la Barre (1766), were frequently burned or killed (by Christians). Thus we can deduce that most European wars were fought by Christians, against Christians.

Wikipedia lists more than 400 of such wars from the 6th to 18th century. Some of these wars were smaller, others like the hundreds year’s war, were massive bloodbaths that resulted in over 3 million deaths.

Whats the lesson? History is ugly, because it reminds us of the billions of people who were butchered by others. And in many cases, this happened by armies carrying the banner of Christ, Muhammad, or other religious ideologues.

3. There are some pretty bad people who did bad things because of religion

Most mass killings were done by religious people (and often blessed by religious leaders) and yet were ultimately for non-religious reasons. Still there are plenty of atrocities that were sparked and fueled by religious fervor or beliefs.

  • The Bible speaks of about 8 million deaths, ordered by God, (and the number is about 24 million, once the flood is included). However, I don’t know of any historian who thinks these numbers are real. So from the secular perspective this is mostly an amusing tidbit. For a Christian who believes it truly happened, this is a sobering reminder that you believe your God instigated numerous genocides that were theological in nature.
  • The Baltic Crusades (against Scandinavian Paganism) resulted in an estimated 1 million deaths, and were led by a Christian coalition, whose agenda included the wiping out of paganism and the spread of Christianity..
  • The Islamic Crusades, which resulted in an estimated 15 million deaths. There are historical documents that mention whole cities, including women and children that were wiped out by the crusaders.
  • Albigensian Crusade, was a 13th century genocide initiated by Pope Innocent III to crush the Cathars, a heretical Christian group. Over 1 million Cathars were mercilessly butchered by Christian knights.
  • The Spanish Inquisition, which is usually explained as only affecting a small number of people that were formally tried and executed, somewhere around 10,000. However, historians say that hundreds of thousands also were starved in prison or killed without trial, and this bumps up estimates up to 350,000 deaths overall.
  • European Wars of Religion that resulted from the Reformation, have a combined death toll of 5 million to 19 million deaths. These include the French Wars of Religions, Thirty Years War, War of the Three Kingdom, Eighty Years War, and German Peasants War, all fought between Protestants and Catholics over theology.
  • Taiping Rebellion, where between 20-50 million people died during a rebellion resulting from a new Christian movement, led by prophet Hong Xiuquan, that attempted to establish a new heavenly Kingdom in China. This religious war took place at the same time as WW1, and had nearly double the death toll, and it was caused by a variant of Christianity.
  • Witch trials, there are estimates that range from 30,000 deaths to up to 500,000 once including worldwide church activity, not just Europe.
  • The Ustase Serbian Genocide where over half a million were murdered or and some 200,000 were forced to convert to Catholicism under threat of death.

4. Not all those “atheist” dictators were actually as atheist as you’ve been told

Most people tend to oversimplify the world and view everything as a set of binary choices, black vs white, cold vs hot, with us or against us. My fellow Evangelicals often tend to take this kind of view on Hitler, essentially saying because “he’s not with us Evangelicals” therefore, “you atheists can have him.” Not so fast. Adolf was a baptized Catholic, his book Mein Kamp is filled with a plethora of affirmations towards Christianity, he mentioned Jesus in many speeches, he publicly called himself a Christian, and used biblical imagery to promote his war.

 

Does that sound like something an atheist does? Really?

Now in the interest of being honest (I’m not going to do that thing Christian apologists do, by only giving you half the story), I will note that some historians debate Hitlers complicated religious views. Some have argued that Hitler became an atheist towards the end of the war, because of some purported secondhand conversation that is recorded in a compilation called “Hitler’s table talk.” This book that is claimed to present secret conversations between him and his staff, some of which show great dissent for traditional Christianity. Yet, many parts of it are deemed controversial as they were edited, revised, and created from memories of those present, without any documentation. The historian Richard Steigmann-Gall, among many others (cited in the book chapter linked here) argues that leading Nazis, including Hitler in Table Talk, identified as Christian and it is contemporary Christian revisionists who have tried to redraw the Nazi party as anti-Christian in order to distance their faith and the Church from it.

In any case, if Hitler did chance his stance on religion, these secret conversations would indicate this transformation happened a few years into WW2, and a decade after the first concentration camp was built by the Nazis. Furthermore, that same secret conversations also shows Hitler saying he did not want to encourage anyone to atheism either. It is plausible that mid-war Hitler may have transitioned from his nationalist Christianity to another form of quasi-religious deism or etc, after confrontations with certain clergy (some supported him, others did not), but he was not an atheist.

Whats more insightful is that every bit of hard evidence (film, autobiography, radio recordings, etc) shows us that Hitler constantly used Christian imagery to engage the Nazis to action. This highlights an important fact: Nazi fascism was not an atheist ideology, but lived almost exclusively in the minds of German Christians.

Who were the Nazis that actually picked up arms and fought the war? Who were they that that ran the camps? Who made the bullets and filled capsules with poison gas? Were they atheists? No.

 

5. The rate of deaths per 1,000 people did not get worse with secularization

One of the best ways some people lie with statistics is focusing on the raw numbers of victims, to obscure the influence of rising population. The fact is high death tolls are not from atheism but an explosion of population and technology.

As gruesome of a thought experiment as this is, consider how much more efficient it is to kill a million people with machine guns, atomic bombs, and poison gas than it is to physically chase down each victim and slash them with a sword. Technology definitely played a role here, but even more so the world’s population exploded in the early 20th-21st centuries, and thus armies and the number of possible victims also increased.

The world’s population for most of Christian European history was 10 times smaller than during the modern secular era, and this is the key reason why larger amounts of people suffered and died.

We must note that the actual rate of violent deaths per 1000 people has stayed roughly the same for the last thousand years of history. In fact, it’s only improvement happened after WW2, and as the world became more secularized than ever before. And today, as secularization is increasing the rate of violent deaths is decreasing.

In the chart below, notice that the rate of deaths per 1,000 people (red line) has stayed pretty consistent during the periods of Christian dominance and secularization. We do not see a higher rate in the last 80 years of secularization.

Finally here is a rather morbid “fun fact.” One of the bloodiest wars of all time was the Thirty Years War, which was a religious war fought between Protestants/Catholics during the Reformation. During During this war, 1 of every 1,000 living persons were killed, about the same number of persons per 1000 that were killed during World War II!  Let that sink in, accounting for population growth, the war between Protestants and Catholics was just as bloody as World War 2. I’ll bet you a dollar you did not know that.

6. Truth is not found piles of bodies

That was a difficult blog to write, congratulations if you’ve made it this far. I don’t like talking about the negative side of religion. I don’t care to make someone or something look bad. But the only thing I like less, is dishonesty, and I am tired of hearing the repeated dishonest assertions that atheism  causes violence, while religion is always rainbows and unicorns. I see this far too often.

It seems that every time I mention Christianity someone will come along and to the boredom of everyone involved, follow the same two step dance. First they quietly dodge any legitimate criticism against their side, and then they just try to one-up me by saying something like “well your side is even worse because Hitler and Stalin were atheists!

Okay, let’s assume that were true, what does that mean? Are we really going to play the game of “Saul has killed his thousands, and David his ten thousands!”? Has no one realized that if group A is bad, then pointing out that group B is worse, means no one gets to win a goodness award.  If one serial killer points to a second and says “aha! he killed twice as many people as I did!” does that make the first one into Ghandi?

Besides, if we were actually trying to find the least violent worldview, I’m pretty sure the pacifist Jains have us all outgunned… or out-pacified at least.

I digress. The greatest thing we miss by pointing fingers at each other is that truth is not discovered by stacking up two piles of bodies to see which one is smaller. Perhaps we can discover which worldview leads to more a peaceful life, but attributable violence is certainly not correlated to the truth. History shows us that a religion like Jainism produces the least amount of violence, and yet, it appears neither you nor I have just acknowledged it as the one true religion.

Violence has no correlation to truth. Just because someone is nice or mean, doesn’t tell us whether their belief is actually true. It tells us everything about what kind of person they are, but not if they’re right. And trust me, there are assholes who are right, and sweethearts who are not.

So, again, violence does not correlate to truth. God forbid, if the ultimate truth of the universe was that a sadistic being was the creator and she wanted to instantiate the most suffering possible, then the side with the highest pile of bodies might actually be in the right.

In the end, there are tons of variants of Christianity, Islam, etc that are horrific, violent, and indiscriminately should be rejected as rubbish. There are some pretty dark and nihilistic atheist philosophies that should also be exterminated with the same kind of extreme prejudice. So yes, there are bad people on all sides. Please don’t be like them.

8 responses

  1. Yuriy,
    It really seems you have a fixation on two major things. The first and foremost is giving God a black eye. The second is death.
    For someone who doesn’t believe in God you are sure keen on proving that He is really a bad person, and, in that, His servants (more likely through them). I can’t help but think that, either one of his servants slighted you terribly – if this is the case, it was likely not a servant of God – or you feel in some way that God Himself has done so. Of course, you seem to side-step the issue every time I request some insight as to why (or dig a little too close to your house, if you will), but I can’t help but think that you feel that God has abandoned you in not explaining His evil actions (as you see them) recorded throughout the Old Testament. I feel that you have demanded that God (and His servants) provide a reason for why God has done what He has done, and this is not only an affront to One who, for sheer reason of His person, deserves utter respect and honor, but also for reason of the very wonderful (albeit imperfect) gift he has given us of free will and life itself. I truly wish you would be honest with me and share whether either of these is true and let me (or someone else) counsel you on recovery from it.
    You stated that “Before atheism was a thing, all violence in history was perpetrated by religious people, and there was lots of violence” This is far from the truth, but in any case, an indication of your true heart. You blame religion (God) and religious people (God’s servants) for the problems in the world, however the atrocities that drove you from God were not a result of religion, they were a result of disobedience and of turning from God, just as they were the cause of all the atrocities and violence you claim were done “in the name of religion”.
    In your quest for a reason that God had His servants kill (and yes even children) in the Old Testament, you have committed a sin more egregious than any of these you would call murderer in His name (in my eyes, not God’s; I am sure He still waits with open arms for you as he does for the greatest sinner you could imagine). You have turned your back on God. By the way, I too am reaching out to you with open arms, yearning for you to return to the truth and to seek God’s forgiveness. The point is, you stand accuser of acts done in God’s name and in Christ’s name, but not for Christ or for God’s selfish reason. You stand accusing God to His face and in the face of His creation drawing them into darkness rather than life. What about Satan? Have not things, evil, cruel, demented, and dark things, been done in his name? His followers are exactly like God’s followers because they are following his orders – albeit on a smaller, more personal scale. Religion is not the cause of evil; it is a symptom of evil. Those who have a true relationship with God understand this.
    You speak to the new way, the atheist way, as being better, but the truth of the matter is that Religious people who have done evil in God’s name did so without the sanction of God. And they are just as lost as atheists, because they forgot to wait for the instruction to come from God. Blame God if you want for their actions, but that is just as bad as you running off and judging God without waiting on Him to give you an answer. You continue to vilify our only hope with your personal vendetta against God. You slink around the issue that is the real problem (sin and evil) and man’s inherent propensity toward it. None of your examples are legitimately connected to God, no matter how many times you state that they were. To anyone with eyes, and sense to discern the truth, it is obvious that your correlation is one-sided against God. How dare you imply that Hitler did what he did for God. With that you spit in the face of anyone who is decent, and in the face of God. What about all those Christians, Jews, and yes, other religions including atheists that stood against Hitler and those that supported him.
    So now, the answer, as you claim is this new kid on the block called atheism. Well my answer is that as you stated atheism is in no way new, nor is it an answer. If you would really give in to God with your whole heart you would understand (as those who truly have) that there is no evil in God and without God there is only inherent evil. You have made a case, but it is not a very good case because of this. In fact, the more recent calm that you have pointed out in recent times is that which has been shown by God in prophecy. It is the one that will unite the world under his name and require worship of him in the end. It is the proverbial calm before the storm. Soon there will be a worldwide movement toward “unity” and then is when the anti-Christ will be revealed. Watch recent world happenings if you don’t believe me.
    Like all of those who have done evil things in God’s name without sanction (I do admit some was with God’s sanction – in fact due to His direction and unto God’s purpose that only he can understand), the athiests are just as guilty of requiring, driving, pushing, and forcing their ideals on those of us who chose to believe in God. Did you ever consider that God was removing the seeds of atheism and or secularism with his decree to wipe out entire groups of people? Is Secularism Evil? Yes! Yes, it is! It is just as evil as religion.
    As you stated you “don’t like talking about the negative side of religion”, but you sure do it a lot. In fact that is all you do. Now, before it is too late, seriously consider the truth. Get alone with yourself and ask God to forgive you for requiring Him to explain Himself. You know this is the right thing to do. Yes, you have seen a problem and like all of us of late you long for an answer, but that answer is not in worldwide peace, it is in peace within the heart of every individual that will receive it. Please begin to work to that end. Please, seek the peace that passes all understanding. If you need prayer, let me know. I think you have my email address. I welcome one on one discussion with you about the true heart of God and yearn for reconciliation between you and God.
    To address your second fixation, I find it a simple symptom of the first.

  2. Yuri, Excellent marshaling of data, and honest admission that atheists have committed crimes, but that blaming particular groups for all the world’s evil does not prove what apologists hope to prove, neither atheist apologists nor Christian ones. However, it does level the playing field between Christians and atheist when it comes to claiming that atheists are the only evil doers. Eric Hoffer also pointed out in his books, notably, The True Believer, that similar irrational drives lead people to join mass movements from fascism and communism to Christianity and Islam.

    By the way, have you heard of the German historian, Karlheinz Deschner, who has devoted his life and so far ten volumes to studying the criminal history of Christianity? In a series of books he describes every possible form of criminality in the churchʼs foreign policy and in policies relating to trade, finance, and education; in the dissemination of ignorance and superstition; in the unscrupulous exploitation of sexual morality, marriage laws, and penal justice… and so on, for thousands of pages. Though Drescherʼs works have been translated into several European languages only a few paragraphs have thus far been translated into English (see https://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com.es/2010/03/whos-man-standing-next-to-richard.html)

    • Yet another who seeks to show themselves important by esoteric rhetoric. Get to the point, as I have done. You seek one thing and that is your importance, by your agreement with dribble. Both of you need to get real and seek the will of God. Thus sayeth the Lord: “I have seen the beginning, because I have initiated the beginning. And I will see the end because I have initiated the end. You ideas and thoughts are irreverent to me and your pride will bring you low, unless you repent. Your knowledge is as dung to me and your understanding as dross. I will lay low those who think themselves high and what I have said is what has any import. No man can enlighten me, show me, or prove me. I Am that I Am. Thus sayeth the Lord of Host, the lord of all creation, the beginning and the end.

  3. The Table Isn’t What You Think

    “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”

    Growing up I always thought, if only Jesus would just show up in my room and take away all my doubts, fears, and questions, then everything would be ok. In fact there were years I’d cry out to Him to do that very thing. If only He could give me all the facts, then I wouldn’t doubt anymore, I wouldn’t hurt anymore, and I wouldn’t feel alone.

    But what’s crazy is that exact thing happened to two disciples, right after Jesus died, and surprisingly nothing happened. They were bummed because to them they just wasted the last three years of their life after they saw Jesus die on the cross. But Jesus shows up to them and actually shows them how it was supposed to happen the whole time. He basically becomes their Bible study partner, going page by page through the Bible, and yet nothing happens. You think they would faint, have the heavens open up or something, because God Himself is opening the Bible and teaching them. But nothing happens.

    But later that day, they ask Jesus to stay for a meal, and He sits down breaks the bread and it says in an instant, “their eyes were opened.” It didn’t happen when they got all the facts, it happened when they sat with Jesus. The first has to do with the answers, the second has to do with intimacy. With relationship. With love.

    Do you just want the right answers from Jesus or do you want to sit at the table with Jesus?

    • Trust me friend, the amount of time I have spent weeping and begging for God to exist, just so I can sit an listen to him speak has outnumbered the years an average American Christian spends going to church in their life. Its easy to make up dismissive narratives about people you have not met.

  4. Zane D. Dowling Christ said that if you call someone raca you’re in danger of hell fire, but sir please stop, going with an emotional plea, and an intuitive closed minded response makes you appear like a fascist philistine, Poshlust… Yuri I may be mistaken but it seems to be that when a Christian uses such an argument they (at least the sophisticated ones) don’t mean that the religious are blameless, or even that atheists are going to be nihilists, psychopaths, especially if we go with the Dostoevskian proposition that all people are made in the image of God. (I don’t understand the backlash against nihilism, its the first step towards existentialism). In the circles that I am a part of it is universally agreed that every individual has the law written in their hearts and therefore it wouldn’t be surprising if atheists can be perfectly good people going by Kant’s categorical imperatives or Hume’s if then ought, I believe that the argument that the Christians are proposing is the existence of the noumenon… evolution is too reductionist to be able to properly explain consciousness of the homo sapien (no creature has our high faculties for thinking and therefore no creature is capable of our ability for evil.) Are you by any chance familiar with the Grand Inquisitor, and if so what is your opinion?

  5. Heres the difference. The atheists you mentioned weren’t violating any laws because they HAVE no laws. You can say “democide is wrong” and another can say “I disagree” and we’ve now reached an impasse. Morality just becomes a matter of opinion. Hitler tried to tear down Christianity and place himself as the Messiah, a.k.a. “Positive Christianity”. I would argue Stalin did the same thing.

    So some Christians twist scripture around to justify their actions? Doesn’t mean they aren’t violating any laws. It’s like a cop saying “sir are you drinking and driving?” and he says “no I only drink at stop lights”. Not gonna fly.

    Also, as for your personal statement in the comments about God, I was the exact opposite of you. I was atheist most of my life and then became religious. Do you know why most of the greatest musicians and artists of all time are all spiritual? It’s because they have that intense fire burning in the core of their soul…you can’t have that without realizing that you’re tapping into something outside of yourself. All things that are good, and bring joy and love, all happiness derives from the same place. That feeling when you love someone or when a powerful song inspires you or when you see your child for the very first time…that feeling IS God. That’s how he speaks to us. It’s beautiful.

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